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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That would be something

Yes, perhaps but Ssag might be wound a little tight. You know I walked away from the scene too but I really don't have time or energy to sit in judgement of anyone else. Wherever we are at on a personal level is just our own business.
I loved spinning & had some good friends who hung with the spinners and they loved the music, my friends were gentle and kind, I prefer to take each person one at a time, if you want to suggest music to someone, that's cool, but the brother was just being honest about his music preferences, THIS IS A DEADHEAD SITE!
Sometimes I do not know a persons heart by their words but the brothers strong response "Hypocrite" means you have probably offended him.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That would be something

I also prefer to take each person as they come on his or her own merits, but the one-word response 'hypocrite' hardly opens the door to meaningful discussion of any kind. Basically, its little more than name-calling. Really I don't much care what your point of view is if you're prepared to justify and defend it. Unless we live our lives alone, 'who we are on the personal level' inevitably has some impact on those around us. And yes, this may be in name a Grateful Dead forum but it's an indication of the richness in thought and experience of the people here that very often that's just the launching point for some pretty wonderful discussions on all manner of things.

By the way - could someone please explain to me what 'spinners' are? I'm afraid that branch of the family passed me by.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That would be something

My experience were that was people who were just taking the shows like a sacrament or a religious experience, On the dress side that was very long skirts and not always great hygeine, it was clicky, for sure but I don't think it was harmful. It was amazing spinning during a show, certainly not for the rugged individualistic type but as the saying goes different strokes, for different folks,
Sorry, if my reply did not help matters , I am pretty high strung at times.
"Why Can't we all just get along"
Rodney King

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That would be something

FWIW:

Very few, if any, people on the Grateful Dead Tour would admit to believing that they thought Jerry Garcia was God, but the widespread belief that the Deadheads were a personality cult who worshipped Garcia persisted. This was most evident in the rumors and mystery surrounding The Spinners (more formally, The Family of Unlimited Devotion). The Spinners were a communal group of young people in peasant dresses and other austere clothing who would twirl in the hallways of Deadshows and were often seen prostrate on the floor of the venues after Garcia would finish songs.

When asked about the Spinners, Garcia replied, "They're kind of like our Sufis. I think it's really great that there's a place where they can be comfortable enough to do something with such abandon. It's nice to provide that. That's one of the things I'm proud of the Grateful Dead for. It's like free turf."12.

When asked how he felt about the Jerry is God phenomena, Garcia responded with characteristic humor, "Anybody who thinks I'm God should talk to my kids." Did he mind being the focal point of a religious group? "Well, I'll put up with it until they come for me with the cross and the nails."13.

Caroline Rago, formerly a core member of the Family of Unlimited Devotion, said that the idea that they believed Jerry was God was a misconception. In the Spinner cosmology, she likened him more to an avatar -- describing a role similar in many respects to the one attributed to Bob Marley by Rastafarians. "He was the cosmic minstrel who provided the channel," she said.14.

Well into his eighties, the prominent mythologist Joseph Campbell discovered the Grateful Dead. Not usually a fan of rock 'n' roll, Campbell's interest was piqued by the Dead's myth making capacity. After attending a concert and seeing the audiences interest and enthusiasm, he claimed that they were "the antidote to the atom bomb."15.

http://www.ulster.net/~shady/deadisti.html


Some folks trust to reason
Others trust to might
I don't trust to nothing
But I know it come out right

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That would be something

Thank you very much for that, bluedevil. I appreciate you taking the time to give such an interesting response.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That would be something

after Jerry died, Barlow referred to him as an avatar, too. However you saw that, or the whole scene in general, the man had something that separated him from the pack. I never saw him as a God, by any means-I mean, gimme a break, fer cryin' in a bucket-but I did get swept up in that powerful presence he had. I was alone in that regard, though, wasn't I?

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That would be something

that's amazing - does the Family still exist? I think you are stretching it a little to the detriment of the original questioner? I mean there were spinners at the beginning - look at a video from the early days. I remember having some religious cults try to recruit me in lots after shows - but I thought they were the Hari ... from Utah. To me the spinners being referred to is just the people that "spinned" constantly while dancing? I would love to hear from somebody that was actually part of something they believe/ed was a religious experience entwined with the boys. If it existed somebody should be lurking on this site - no? I'm going to check out that other link.

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Poster: rabbseye Date: Sep 13, 2010 7:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That would be something

eye went to guilford high school in ct.
met doug who introduced me to tim in 1981.
years later eye traveled to california and saw my 1st west coast shows and doug introduced me to unlimited devotion.
thus recalling my guilford high school faces whom eye had known a little in 81.
joined up with them and really adapted the spinning methods to the experiences eye was having then.
they lived in a beautiful way when eye went back to northern california with them in philo.
amazing experience eye am still greatly inspired in the spinning techniques, anyone interested in hearing more on this contact me'
very interesting time in my travels am very grateful for douger introducing mee to the tribe ty

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That would be something

I wasn't trying to open conversation - just trying to get him to open his mind - my little gift

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That would be something

and you thought that was going to turn the key?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:49pm
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and i thought the "mind opening" attempt was the other way around between those two - maybe i missed something ;)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 3:00pm
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Don't reckon you missed much at all, big guy. Move along, folks. Nothing to see here ...

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 3:16pm
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once in a while .......

there sure is a handful of you on here that make me laugh (thank you for that) with your pompousness

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 27, 2006 3:36pm
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if i'm one of the handful - thanks for the compliment!

(i really could have taken off with and had fun with this - praise the Lord for the Holiday Spirit)

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:40pm
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no offense was taken